Believe link=topic=1915.msg33669#msg33669 date=1188996206]
stephen_bayne link=topic=1915.msg33648#msg33648 date=1188957126]
It's a sloid album that shows the band is in a good place again after all the post MCIS turmoil and a promise of what's to come. 
What Band? Oh you mean Billy and Jimmy....
and You are referring to the post MCIS turmoil that produced "ADORE" and "Machina" - PLEEEEEAASSE bring on more post MCIS turmoil!!!
I can aswer your question - what's to come is more Solo work from Billy...
...with Jimmy acting as his glorified drum machine.
This album IS mediocre - thanks for saying it J.Z.
And how come the people who "So-called" support this project the most are able to take the position of "Well u can't expect them to make anything as great as MCIS"....WHY NOT??? Maybe thats my problem - I actually thought Billy had it in him to make another GREAT album...maybe I should just accept mediocre from the best band ever - hmmmm - NO THANKS.
Upon reading that last post, I realized that the last statement I issued ("a single drumtrack can't make a mediocre album great"
was an incomplete statement and was just begging to be misinterpreted. Sorry, Believe, it's nice to have you agree with me for once but I guess it was on false grounds. ^_^;;
What I meant to say is, a single drum track isn't going to make a mediocre album good unless the material is strong to begin with. United States is an solid song because Zeitgeist is a solid album.
Is it the best work they could have possibly done, given time and circumstances (lord knows they've had plenty of time)? I can't answer that honestly. You'd have to ask someone who picks favorites among Pumpkins albums. I'm not one of those people, and will not openly admit that any of their albums was any better than the others. Sure, some receive more air time on the radio and more playtime in my own cd player, but that doesn't mean I consider MCIS a better album than Adore simply because I listen to the former significantly more than the latter. In fact, I often find myself burning out on MCIS and returning to Adore as a sort of creature comfort...but, as usual, I'm digressing the hell out of this topic.
For what it's worth to you, Believe, I've never taken the position that the reformed Pumpkins somehow don't have it in them to acheive their former glory...though the band's popular recognition may not be the same as it was in the 90's, I believe they have it in them to revive the Pumpkins' sound.
I expected nothing more from this reunion than pure, unadulterated Pumpkins rock...and, in my opinion, that is exactly what I received with Zeitgeist. The new album isn't any better or worse than their past work...it's just different, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
(On another note, though, I agree that the pumpkins put out some of their best work in the post-MCIS havoc...Adore and Machina don't get nearly as much credit as they should.)
